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Crystal Palace News
Old Guest Book entries
14 November 2005
John Charles Bailiff
My ancestor was Sir Joseph Paxton. A book published in America (The Paxton Family 1903) has my family starting with my grandfather Vincent Joseph Paxton back to Sir Joseph. I am very proud of my family and am equally thankful of their accomplishments. Sir Joseph Paxton is one of the most outstanding ones.
John Bailiff, Toledo Ohio
Youngwoo Chun Friday 14th October, 2005
Dear. Staff.
I'm university student, who live in Crystal Palace, who has studied the history of art, period of Victorian. And I've found that CP was one of most important place during that period.
All Best Wishes
D. Lewis Monday 10th October, 2005
I am looking for any information on employees at Crystal Palace during the years 1857 until the building was destroyed by fire in 1936. My grandmother who lived in Croydon recalled some thirty years ago to me how she remembered watching the fire, the smells, the fire engines and the molten glass running like streams in the kerbs of the roads.
Her Grandfather Abraham Carter, living at one point in Furze Road, was supposedly head gardener at the Palace during its history at Sydenham. If anyone can point me in the right direction I would be delighted, particularly as one of my relatives had some small part to play in Crystal Palaces life.
My e-mail add is: kersfam@yahoo.co.uk
D. Lewis
Nicholas RHODES Wednesday 20th July, 2005
I have now lived in France for many years, not far from Ferrières en Brie which was also designed by Paxton. I was a member of the CPF many years ago in 1979/80 and remember visiting the site and the famous subway on the "subway superdays". I am very glad to see that the CPF still appears to be going strong and would be very curious to know about the present state of the park. Has it been re-developed? I had always dreamed of the terraces and sphinxes (which I amply photographed at the time) being restored to their former glory but am not sure whether this is the case. I possess many books and videos on the CP as well as a beautiful CP mirror which holds pride of place in my living room. Keep up the good work, I'll try and pay a visit on my next trip to the UK though my family now live in Eastbourne, which is not exactly next door to you.
Tuesday 12th July, 2005
I have just found a certificate awarded to my great grandfather in 1884 it reads the international potato exhibition crystal palace
first class certificate 8/10/1884 awarded to Mr ellington for potato Ellingtonia grown for the Royal Horticultural Society. The potato seems to be named after him I wonder if the potato has survived. If it did it survived him and the crystal palace.
John Greatrex Wednesday 29th June, 2005
Hi Patricia,
What a nice idea. But why wait till 2051? The year 2011 will be the 100th anniversary of the largest exhibition ever held in Crystal Palace Park when one-third size parliament buildings from different parts of the world were erected.
Patricia Tomlinson Tuesday 28th June, 2005
Crystal Palace was first built for the Great Exhibition of 1851.
We had the Great Exhibition of 1951 and hopefully there will be another one in 2051.
I won't be around for that one, but wouldn't it be nice to come back to the first exhibition buy building it along the lines of the Crystal Palace - on the Crystal Palace grounds - to encompass the exhibition of all the cultures from around the world - for generations to come.
I have looked at the pictures of the interior of the Palace taken in 1859 and just marvel at what the Victorians were able to achieve.
Just think what could be achieved with the technology we have now.
Tony Whorms Friday 17th June, 2005
Great website
WILL FIELDING Wednesday 23rd February, 2005
Just found this site - would like to find out about the Life Boat models which were exhibited at the Great Exhibition.
Photograph, booklets or any publications that may hold similar information. - Many thanks.
Adrian Hills Saturday 15th January, 2005
One day I would very much like to find out what artefacts the Crystal Palace Museum Holds.
As a person who has researched the history of the Crystal Palace to PhD level, I think it is pathetic that the trustees of the museum have made no attempt to contact me in the past five years after my repeated requests for such information.
I have always been helped by those who actually run the museum, but never by those who seem to exercise control, simply because they are on the board of "trustees".
How long can this stupidity continue.
Adrian Hills BA (Hons), PhD.
John Greatrex Tuesday 7th December, 2004
CRYSTAL PALACE AT EXPO 2005
The Great Exhibition Crystal Palace of 1851 was The Mother of All Expos.
The latest World Expo opens on March 25th 2005 in Aichi, Japan.
A series of panels depicting expo history are now on site.
You can see the Crystal Palace panel at:
http://www.ursocreative.com/expo2005linimo/041129-53s.jpg
The chap who took the photo is Urso who has just won the competition to design the exteriors of the expo shuttle trains. He set up: www.expomuseum.com a few years back. It is well worth a visit.
Happy surfing!
John
mark walkling Monday 29th November, 2004
So, what`s the betting that in ten years time, the park will still be run down and covered in graffiti - and not even a sniff of a beautiful new building resembling the Crystal Palace ?
Pretty likely I would say.
Bernhard Eduard Maier Monday 22nd November, 2004
Dear Sirs!
My name is Bernhard Maier and I am from Austria. Two years ago I had the opportunity of a guided tour. It was very interesting but I had the impression that the relicts of Crystal Palace were considered like roman ruins, beyond restoration beyond reality. Why there was and is no attempt to rebuild Crystal Palace as it was? Such a wonderful building, if I had the money I would do it at once.
I wish you personally all the best and much success in your work, I remain,
Respectfully
Ray Tobitt Tuesday 9th November, 2004
Congratulations to the Palace Foundation Trust on your site, like many others the Palace was and still is a Palace of memories, I was born in Camden hill rd, and my parents lived there for about fifty years, a lot of my memories are different to others, my sister when trying to take us into the palace without paying, actually put her muddy shoe into Sir Henry Bucklands white gloved hand as she climbed over a fence, he then escorted us to the exit, my father worked there for a while, my parents used to tell of when one of my brothers actually stole some of the fireworks from the set pieces from the Thursday night displays set, and set them off on Guy Fawkes night in about 1930..he only did this once when Dad found out. then watching the Palace burn down from our bedroom window, such a site to see, never to be forgotten. My school friend Eddie and i used to get in the grounds and drive some of the cars (which had been dumped there) around the race track, often chase by a police car or an army vehicle, this was about 1944/5, my sister in law who lived with us worked in the palace grounds, she was a glass blower, making radar equipment for our aircraft during the war years,, but we all loved the Palace and as we grew older used to enjoy many days walking around the grounds after the war. what wonderful memories we have. May the Foundation Flourish and help to keep the Palace alive.
Steel Buildings Diary visit website Thursday 21st October, 2004
I hope to be able to enjoy one of the walkabouts next year when I travel to the UK.
Jonathan Lill Friday 15th October, 2004
I was delighted to discover the remnants of some of the marble statuary, now dumped by the rangers hut at the Penge entrance to the Park. I've identified Bertel Thorwaldsen's 'Mercury' which stood by the Grand Fountain, now the site of a car park, as well as the Farnese Hercules [headless, and separate from it's base] the Diana de Versailles, also headless, and it's companion piece the Apollo Belvedere, also headless and separate from it's base.
It's such a shame that they are stored in a way that means that they are still exposed to the elements, one piece having a lump of metal on it which with rusting could cause permanent staining. While they may not be original pieces of art, the Mercury was present in plaster cast form inside the Palace for example, but what if they are the only examples in this country.
Is there no way that they could be stored or even exhibited before they suffer any more damage. As early examples of neo-classical art used as educational materials for the masses, they must be unique, as well as illustrations of how Paxton took the 6th Duke of Devonshires lead in exhibiting neo-classical sculpture.
They could again be an educational resource, rather than increasingly fragile lumps of stone, dumped in a confused jumble.
Keep up the good work by the way!
Michael Coleman Monday 20th September, 2004
I think the Crystal Palace was the most amazing & interesting building ever built in so many ways. It will continue to capture interest & imaginations for generations to come. Even though long gone the park is still an amazing sacred place to visit as you can still envisage the grandeur of days gone by & the Victorian splendour created with true legends like Paxton & Brunel, Architecture at its greatest!
David Pescod FLS - The Linnean Society of London
Monday 20th September 2004
Thank you very much for your kind welcome and help in explaining the layout and history of the aquarium on Sunday 19th September 2004.
I very much hope that the excavations now started will reveal more about the first marine aquarium and its importance in developing aquaria around the world.
Your web site is an informative and interesting account of the Crystal Palace, past, present and future. Joseph Paxton was a Fellow of this Society, the oldest biological society in the world.
Andy Roberts Sunday 19th September, 2004
I see a Fran Darby listed below lived on Gipsy Hill etc my mother also as I did in the 60s live on Gipsy Hill and although now I live in Glos I still go there a lot where did u live Fran? email me at
andrew@aroberts36.fsnet.co.uk The Palace love the place would I live there now..............sorry got used to the sheep for neighbours
John Greatrex Sunday 12th September, 2004
Thank you for your question about the disappearance of the Crystal Palace. In fact, it disappeared twice.
Firstly, it disappeared from its original site in Hyde Park after housing the Great Exhibition of 1851. It was dismantled and the bits were taken by horse and cart across the River Thames to be put together again on the top of the highest hill in south London. Here it stayed for 82 years.
Its second disappearance took place in 1936. On Monday November 30th it burned down and was totally destroyed. This was the biggest fire in London for nearly 300 years since the Great Fire of London in1666.
These two disappearances of the Crystal Palace are described in more detail in the ‘History’ section of this website – just click on the word ‘History’ nearer the top of this page. The dismantling of the Crystal Palace is described in the ‘Leaving Hyde Park’ section, and the burning of the Crystal Palace can be found in the ‘Disaster Strikes’ section.
The Crystal Palace Foundation has produced a very good paperback about the burning of the Crystal Palace. You can find details of it if you click on the ‘Shop’ section near the top of this page.
I hope this helps you with your school project. Good luck.
Saturday 11th September, 2004
Hi.. I am really interested on the crystal palace.. and I really want to know, How did the crystal palace disappeared? .. any ways I am in the 8th grade so I am taking the lesson of the crystal palace and we are doing this project.. and I am visiting your site for some information. If the information I am looking about is here I did not find it.
Dee Brown Friday 10th September, 2004
Hello:
I enjoyed my "visit" to your site. I am quite interested in the Crystal Palace and history in general. My family has kept a piece of memorabilia from the 1851 Exhibition from generation to generation. It has provided me with not only a great conversation piece, but a source of inspiration to learn more ... hope to visit someday!
Brian Mcpheat Friday 3rd September, 2004
Is there any record of where all the statues went? I know they were auctioned off, allegedly to Bing Crosby, and some are apparently scattered across south London, but from time to time, you find them (father Thames) at Greenwich. Also according to my 1930 " guidebook, "it states on page 41, and i quote, "Several statues of colossal dimensions adorn this part of the Palace, but the visitor will find no difficulty in identifying them. The latest addition is the celebrated Boadicea group,which,after many wanderings ,including a temporary stay on one of the parapets of Westminster Bridge, has here at length found a resting place, ....etc" is this the same as can be found at Westminster , or are either copies ?
Many Thanks Brian
Brian Mcpheat Friday 3rd September, 2004
Just a few questions you may be able answer.
1. I believe there may be some archaeological digs on the top site, will these include the areas where the BBC studios were ,as i believe these were below ground?
2. As the site was cleared in 1937 what can we seriously hope to find.
3. Are there any real foundations left of the building?
4.I have been as close as i can to the remains of the North Tower, just up from the aquarium , and i wondered how much of the base and its possible contents below ground are still remaining?
5. how many sphinx were there outside the building, as i know of at least 6 and have seen an old photo where there are another 2 pairs in front of the centre transept?
many thanks Brian
Trevor Austin Thursday 19th August, 2004
Hi
Today I visited Crystal Palace for the first time and was appalled at the total lack of any information for the visiting public. Whilst wandering around the site of the Palace I would at least expect to find some display boards giving basic information about the site. I realise that this may not be your responsibility but as you name yourself the CPF maybe you could pass this comment on to the appropriate authority or advise me who I should contact.
The museum is marked on my map and eventually I found the building, which was closed. There is absolutely no indication that this place is ever open. I only found out that it is open on Sundays and Bank Holidays from the information office at the other side of the park. Why do you not display details of the opening hours? And a museum that is only open on Sundays is a complete waste of time and money!
Regards
charlie newman Monday 16th August, 2004
hi I have just found your web site not bad just to add a bit more history my great grandfather was a security guard at crystal palace. he used to live at Camden hill road .his name was Fred Newman I don’t now if you have saved any employers records from the early 1900s .as I am doing the history of the family I would be very interested to know my father who is 83 this year remembers his father telling him how he used to watch him going of to work as Camden hill road is not that far from cp also if there are any relations left in the area I would be pleased to here from them
John Greatrex Saturday 14th August, 2004
Dear Fran
Great to hear about your grandfather and his success in planting the seed of idea into the politicians' minds. Three decades later, lo and behold, the Crystal Palace National Sports Centre riseth.
In addition to his books on Dulwich, your father was also admired for his work as chair of the 'Dulwich Millennium Pageant' of 1967.
The Pageant comprised of 14 cameos covering Dulwich's 1000 years of history.
Immediately following the 11th cameo: 'Dickensian Dulwich - The Pickwick Club' the Narrator referred to the coming of the Crystal Palace in the following speech:
"Eighteen, fifty-one - the year of the Great Exhibition in Hyde Park, housed in a great Crystal Palace that having served its purpose as an Exhibition Hall, was moved to the South of Dulwich. Railways sprung up, the Crystal Palace Railway Line was opened, but of importance to the Estates, the railways greatly increased the rents paid to the Foundation which meant that more money was available" *
(Unfortunately, the 'Foundation' referred to in this instance isn't the CPF but the one set up by Edward Alleyn!)
(*ref: page Nx111/1 Dulwich Millennium Pageant 967-1967, devised by A.C. Chandler)
Fran Darby Tuesday 10th August, 2004
I was extremely interested to read all the messages in the Guest book. My family lived in Dulwich and Norwood for many years. My father William Darby wrote books on Dulwich and he was great friends with Alan Warwick I do have in my possession some letters written by my grandfather WILLIAM E Darby who after the Fire which destroyed Crystal Palace, wrote to Parliament to ask them to consider his plan which was to turn the CP into a fantastic Sports Centre. The plans were declined!!
My earliest memories were living in Gipsy Hill with my other grandparents, during WW2 and hearing the bombs going off, wearing a Mickey Mouse mask, being frightened to death by MR Turner’s dry cleaning shop on Gipsy Hill because he had stuffed animals in his shop! I went to school at Virgo Fidelis, then Rosendale Road then Sydenham County.
I have just returned from 13 years teaching abroad and it is GREAT to catch up with this website and bringing back all those memories.
Good Luck in all you are doing
Fran Darby
John Greatrex Monday 9th August, 2004
What the Greeks wrote in 1852 about the Crystal Palace:
THE GREAT EXHIBITION OF 1851 - THE MENTAL OLYMPIC GAMES OF THE UNITED WORLD!
GREECE
25 Finsbury Circus, London
February 27,1852
GENTLEMEN
As the labours of the Greek Committee in connexion with the Great Exhibition of 1851 are now terminated, the Committee desire me, before separating, to express to His Royal Highness Prince Albert, and the Royal Commissioners, their most grateful thanks for the unceasing support and valuable facilities invariably afforded them upon every occasion, during the tenure of their office, in their efforts to carry into effect the part assigned them in those gloriously conceived and newly revived Olympic games, in which not the physical, but the mental powers of the united world have been called into friendly competition, in order to augment and advance the sources of happiness, and the well-being of mankind.
The Committee feel it a pleasurable duty to request the Royal Commissioners to convey to the indefatigable Captain Owen their especial acknowledgments for his constant urbanity, valuable advice and assistance, upon all occasions when referred to; which not only lightened their exertions, but proved most advantageous, by enabling them to complete their arrangements in an efficient manner.
I have the honour to be, with the highest respect and consideration,
GENTLEMEN,
Your most obedient, most humble Servant,
(In the absence of the President of the Greek Committee,) P. RALLI
(Signed) D.P.SCARAMANGA
The Secretary.
The Royal Commissioners of the Great Exhibition of 1851
etc. etc. etc.
(ref: page 207, volume IV, ‘OFFICIAL DESCRIPTION AND ILLUSTRATED CATALOGUE OF THE GREAT EXHIBTION 1851’
published by Spicer Brothers, December 1852)
John Greatrex Monday 2nd August, 2004
Brian
All the fountains have gone.
1 The two large fountain basins in the middle of the park have been filled in - one of them is now the athletics stadium and the other the sports hall.
2 Inside the Crystal Palace at the top of the hill was the Osler Crystal Fountain.
Lisa McMahon Monday 26th July, 2004
Hi,
I have just acquired a very old Crystal Palace souvenir it is a sewing kit with all original needles presented in which looks to be a miniature Suitcase/Vanity case. Could some possibly supply some more information i.e. when was it made? Is it a genuine crystal palace souvenir?
Brian McPheat Friday 23rd July, 2004
I , like many have always been fascinated by the Crystal Palace ,and so after many years battled the traffic to visit the site . I stood in awe at the magnificent terraces, I relished at the aquarium ruins , the sphinx, all six, (I believe there was once more) but to find it, rats included, was a life time dream . It is a great shame to Great Britain that this site is in such a sad shape. The building and its former visitors are memories to the few who saw and enjoyed the former wonders the place had to offer. One question I shall ask is this, what happened to the fountains? Were they removed or filled in?
Allen Wednesday 14th July, 2004
Thanks for the wonderful site, I really enjoyed it!
-Allen
Ann Roe (for Gisborough Priory Project Ltd.)
Tuesday 22nd June, 2004
Can anyone help me ? I am trying to find out as much as possible about the English Mediaeval Court in the Crystal Palace. Apparently, replicas or casts of pillars and arches of Gisborough Priory (or Abbey as it is called then) were used in the court.
I have a few small photos and a article on the mediaeval courts but none of them explain why Gisborough was among the monuments chosen or what became of the replicas in the end.
Karen Moran Thursday 17th June, 2004
Greetings to everyone who came to our events and celebrated with us the 150th anniversary of the Crystal Palace. We were proud to put before you a week of events to commemorate the opening of this great building and to pay tribute to the man who made this all possible, Sir Joseph Paxton. I would like to take this opportunity in thanking everyone involved in making this anniversary week the best the Crystal Palace Foundation charity has ever seen.
The biggest thanks go to Roy Hathaway and Chairman Melvyn Harrison who worked very hard in putting together the most spectacular Victorian Weekend ever, Ian Bevan and Michael Gilbert for their superb talks, Trevor Enefer who edits our quarterly newsletter and publishing the brilliant 150th celebration issue in March. Look out for the next bumper issue.
My grateful thanks also go to my fellow trustees Martin Frelford and Christopher Preston for taking on front of house at the last minute, my guests Kate Colquhoun for taking time out from her busy schedule to sign copies of her book and my biggest thanks goes to the Paxton family Theodora Wayte who travelled from the North of England to be with us on this wonderful evening to talk about Sir Joseph and his daughter Annie, her Great Grandmother.
Extended thanks go to both the management and staff of the Salvation Army Hall and the Crystal Palace Lodge for their help plus the Palace Park Rangers notably Andy Haydon and Adam who worked overtime with their colleagues to make the 5th and 6th June the most entertaining weekend in Crystal Palace's history. I was particularly overwhelmed at the response I received for the 10th June evening and I would like to give my thanks to all of you who came. I hope you really enjoyed yourselves as we did organising it. Thank you.
Karen Moran, The Events Team CPF
Mark Walkling Monday 14th June, 2004
In response to Ray Steadman, who says when he visits England, Crystal Palace is a must see.
Well, to save on you being disappointed allow me to explain...
The site is just an overgrown, badly kept area of scrub. Despite years of wrangling and great cost, there is not a possibility of a building in the style of the Crystal Palace ever being built. The general area is a run down London suburb, which is ghettoised and high in crime. Each time a thing of beauty is erected here, it is vandalised anyway.
Allow The Crystal Palace to exist in your mind - the reality of the site and Park in general, is grim.
Fiona Saturday 5th June, 2004
My children and myself were introduced to the Foundation today at the 150 year anniversary of the Crystal Palace. Whilst I have always been intrigued by the remains of the Palace, today, I learnt a lot more and understood why. I would like to thank those of you who took the time to answer my questions and to make the Crystal Palace alive in my minds eye. It was a wonderful experience and has prompted me to return home and immediately search for more information. The work currently being undertaken is of the utmost importance to ensure that my children and others in the future understand the important history of their local (home) area.
thank you
Rachel Willoughby Thursday 6th May, 2004
Thanks for this wonderful site, I have only just found that my Great great grandfather was appointed manager of The Crystal Palace in August 1882 (see The Times, Aug 30, 1882; pg 4; Issue 30599, Col C). He died in June 1883. If anyone has any information on him or his time there, I would be very grateful. His name was George Reay- Mackey.
Ray Steadman Wednesday 5th May, 2004
I have never been to the palace but, the next time I am in England this is a must see. Thanks for your site and information.
Melvyn Harrison Tuesday 4th May, 2004
The Duke of Devonshire, our President has died.
See the full Obituary on our News page.
Chris McBrien Monday 3rd May, 2004
My father was born into Colfe Road, Forrest Hill in 1910. Later he moved to Brighton and saw the CP burning from the Devil's Dyke just north of Brighton. I moved to Scotland in 1981 and bought my house from the local Laird, he was educated at Harrow and saw the CP burning from Harrow on the Hill. A bit of a coincidence as my father and the Laird were looking at each other but about 70 miles apart.
Mr Clyde Framis Monday 3rd May, 2004
Interesting site. Glad to visit it.
John Greatrex Monday 3rd July, 2004
CPF 25th Anniversary Year
Blast From The Past
25 years ago this month the seed (that later flowered in to our organisation, the Crystal Palace Foundation) was carefully being nurtured in a greenhouse in Crystal Palace Park. With the help of George West, Eric Price and the late Alan Watson final preparations were being made for the First Crystal Palace Exhibition of 1979 to take place in early March. An account of that exhibition can be found in Crystal Palace Matters No 14 produced as a tribute to Alan who created the CPF logo.
In late 1978, a small group conceived of the idea of creating a locally based organisation intent on re-awakening interest in the Crystal Palace and its site.
In the mid 1970’s many people visiting the area were only vaguely aware of its history. When asked by tourists ‘Where is the Crystal Palace?’ one could only point to the empty hilltop and apologise – ‘I’m sorry, but you’re forty years too late.’
The best place to find out more about what had once stood at the top of the hill was a little further down Anerley Road at the barber’s shop run by Eric Price. Inside, adorning the walls were many large photographs of the Palace in its glory years together with scenes of its destruction in 1936. Eric’s enthusiasm for his subject bubbled and sparkled like the Palace’s famous Osler crystal fountain.
So what hope had the youthful Alan Watson of escaping when he happened that year to be passing Eric’s shop? Displayed in the window for all to see was a pre-1936 picture of Anerley Road with an arrow informing the passer-by that ‘you are here.’ Alan’s curiosity got the better of him - he poked his head round the door and enquired of the barber ‘Is it for sale? I collect that sort of stuff.’
‘So do I,’ replied Eric. ‘So do I. Come in, my boy, come in. Would you like to see my crystal from Osler’s fountain?’ Alan was soon added to the hairdresser’s endless list, compiled over the previous twenty years, of ‘people I know who are interested in the Crystal Palace.’
Another name already on the list was that of John Greatrex, who at the time lived in Church Road opposite the then Queen’s Hotel and worked in the National Sports Centre as an assistant in the Bookings and Admissions Department. During a short back and sides he and Eric were bemoaning the fact since 1936 the Crystal Palace and its site no longer operated as a single unit; the area was subdivided into various sections each ‘doing their own thing.’ There was not even a permanent place for visitors eager to learn about the Crystal Palace and its history.
It seemed an idea worth trying to develop. Eric suggested that Alan be brought into the discussion as soon as possible because he possessed enthusiasm, creative flair and a lot of common sense. At their first meeting, the three shared the feeling that if they did not actually do something it might well be another forty years before anyone else did.
FIRST EXHIBITION
They decided to hold a small exhibition – a trail run – just to see what would be involved. It would be based on the theme ‘Crystal Palace – Past, Present and Future.’ The date was fixed for Saturday 3rd March 1979 to coincide with the Oxford and Cambridge University Games being held in the Sports Centre. John obtained free use of the centre’s Conference Room in which the exhibits would be displayed.
Alan acted as Honorary Treasurer with John as Co-ordinator. Also recruited, as Honorary Secretary was Geoffrey Chipping from Thornton Heath. He was a Personnel Officer at Nestles, Croydon and worked with John at weekends as a steward at sports events. Eric’s emporium of Palace memorabilia provided a large percentage of the exhibits.
To quote from the official records, ‘Unlike the Great Exhibition of 1851 attended by over 6 million people, the first 1979 Crystal Palace Exhibition was attended by 24 people each paying 10p per head and one generous patron who paid 50p to view the few but well-placed exhibits.’ However, like its illustrious predecessor, this exhibition also made a profit. With outgoings of £1.99 and income of £2.90 , the organisers were 91p in profit. Inspired by this and encouraged by the reaction of those who did attend, they decided to see whether their acorn of an idea could grow with a little careful nurturing: after all, Joseph Paxton, the Palace’s architect, was also a gardener.
AW (Alan Watson) insisted that the next exhibition would be ‘done properly’. MAY 28th, the Spring Bank holiday, was considered a suitable date as it fell within the PENGE FESTIVAL week. It took place in a white prefabricated shed like structure called the ANMAC which until early in the 21st century stood on the tarmac just north of the athletics stadium.
GW (George West), one of the festival organisers was co-opted onto the exhibition committee. He was a local historian and expert on all things Crystal Palace who had taken people on guided tours around the park.
Also recruited to the committee were ER (E. R. Rogers MBE), a local government officer, who like GC (Geoffrey Chipping) worked as a weekend steward at the Crystal Palace National Sports Centre with JG (John Greatrex); an American architectural student JY (Jeff Yentz) who was then doing a project on the Crystal Palace; and MH (Melvyn Harrison) who loaned his extensive postcard collection for the exhibition.
GC wrote an excellent account of the May 1979 event in his booklet PROFILE ON AN EXHIBITION. In it he describes how, ‘ …the ANMAC exhibition area, a poorly lit shell of a building, was transformed into an exhibition hall, colourful, interesting in visual content and suffused with an atmosphere more familiarly associated with a private gallery…the predominant factor than transformed an exhibition into The Exhibition was the quality and quantity of the exhibits combined with the human elements of enthusiasm and resourcefulness.”
John R McGregor Saturday 1st May, 2004
Subj.: Greetings!
Date: 5/1/2004 00:53:48 Pacific Standard Time
From: FoundationExpo88
To: The Crystal Palace Foundation
Hello!
Many thanks for your kind support and words last night - as you could tell I duly relayed your message to the group and it was a real buzz when we visited the Crystal Palace Foundation & Museum web-site later on - people could feel a quite tangible connection.
Noting that you started in 1979 after 128 years however, we all came to the decision that after only 16 years, we're way ahead!!!!
I've uploaded a bevy of documents to the 'Press - News' side of the site (including a first day press-release and Minutes), so, feel free to view our humble but quite re-assuring beginnings. Whilst we were unable to appoint an interim executive committee, we have resolved to meet two times a year - 30 April and 30 October - the respective opening and closing ceremonies of the Exposition, at the same coffee shop - Cafe San Marco at Southbank. With the option of a extraordinary meeting and/or e-newsletter in between.
As mentioned to you briefly over the phone, I sent to your Chairman's office yesterday a special collection of commemorative items to celebrate the launch of the Foundation and also to congratulate you on your upcoming 150th Anniversary celebrations. I hope you enjoy this small token of appreciation and that they can be displayed in the Museum for all to see.
With warm regards
John
Foundation Executive Director
Foundation Expo '88
FoundationExpo88@aol.com
http://hometown.aol.com/foundationexpo88
TEL (+614397) [04397] 34018 FAX (+617) [07] 3277 8283
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Michael Paice Monday 19th April, 2004
I was a member of the CPF for many years and even gave an inexpert hand to some of the team working on the aquarium site back in the 1980s - I can't believe that work there had to stop for so long (such a shame).
I have so many fond memories of the park and the site. My grandparents - like many others who have signed the guestbook - used to take me to the park when I came to stay with them in the school summer holidays. They lived then in Hanover Court - just across the road.
I haven't noticed anything about the Paxton vaulted tunnel under the Parade. Was it ever put to proper use? There was talk at one time of it becoming a restaurant or coffee shop or some such but in my youth it was just a hang out for drug users and under-age drinkers.
It is such a shame that so little seems to have moved on after all this time but I hope that the CPF keep up their good work and one day the site has something worthwhile developed on it.
Last time I used the Low Level station I was gutted to see it so run down with a pathetic glass and steel boil bolted onto the side of it - after the restoration of the original station buildings, I may just go there again.
Bob Scott Friday 2nd April, 2004
After tonight’s fiasco purporting to be a meeting about the setting up of a patently false group to be known as The Friends of Crystal Palace Park, I am staggered by the frightening lack of democratic process shown by some of those involved. If this is to be the way that the group is to be run then I can imagine very stormy waters ahead.
The CPCA says that it is not going to be involved in it - anyone who knows the management of the CPCA knows that this will not be and never be the case.
I sincerely hope that the Nigel Westaway process persuades people to reconsider the whole thing before it all goes to far and totally out of hand.
Elizabeth Ives Thursday 11th March, 2004
I have looked at many of the comments in the guestbook and am astounded at the short sightedness of many people in relation to the project by Wilkinson Eyre. As a forward thinking architect Paxton I am sure would be more likely to turn in his grave, if he thought that architecture in the 21st century failed to be as brave and emergent as he was in his vision for the Crystal Palace.
Any new build should resonate the past, but to copy on either a full or miniature scale would be a terribly wasted opportunity.
Crystal Palace is more than just a park. It is a community which would greatly benefit from a large-scale regeneration. The knock on effect of having a world class design piece housing Britain's only urban sculpture park would be felt across local business, educational centres and by the residents.
I have always felt passionately about this site, believing it should work to serve the local community as a focus. Contemporary design is always controversial but without it there would never have been a Crystal Palace in the first place.
Let's express where we are as a community now with a project that understands how people want to use the space, that respects the environment, but that places us as residents firmly back on the map!
T Coole Saturday 6th March, 2004
Oh I have just realised on revisiting that this site is not about real people and vibrant communities, but is more a mental projection of one man's obsessive dream concerning the resurrection of a 68-year-old white elephant. I feel a bit daft now posting my tentative appeal for nostalgic contact with people who lived in this fascinating neighbourhood during the 40's, 50's, 60's, who could quite feasibly still be alive today. However, I do wish you well with stopping some ultra-modern monstrosity crowning the top of Central Parade, and leave with a poem I wrote about the wooded area and gardens between Dulwich Wood Park and College Road I loved and played in as a boy:
Lowood,
This remnant of a Victorian garden
Intense and fertile with a lush plant life
So rapidly the effects of Nature and Time
Have levelled Man’s most opulent face
Erased all feature in this vital strife
This once so cherished and magic place
Finally decayed to an indiscernible trace.
In geometric sweeps, narrow paths now arc
Round the fountain’s curving crumbled line
These composted remains of a worldly race
Witness an Empire’s final decline
The old oak wood has spawned to encroach
On orchards once proudly nurtured
To bear fruit heavy on strong forked struts
Now, wild grass round the crusted bark
Has long since covered the pruning cuts
In the bloom of this ardent urbane breed
The laughter of children rang in the woods
And instilled an era with a vital new pace
But madness of war let them die and bleed
Far afield from this cultured place.
In Lowood, children play after the war
Fresh seeds of those fallen in strife
Their laughter rings out just as before
And while mothers wait at home alone
They build their characters and their camps
In soil where red brick dust had blown
From the scattered seed that had survived
In this new playground of Nature grown
The hopes of a Nation have been revived
I wish you all the best!
John R McGregor Saturday 6th March, 2004
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John Raybould Thursday 4th March, 2004
John & Heather Raybould 3640 Paynter Road, Westbank, British Columbia V4T 1R1 CANADA
Dear Sir,
This is an important week because the Mayor of London takes over the park at Crystal Palace, (and the National Sports Centre). I therefore share with the Times Architectural Correspondent, Marcus Binney, the widespread public anxiety about the future of the site ("Crystal Palace show prompts concern over Sydenham park" The Times Feb. 16 2004).
Together with many people at home and abroad with a lifetime affection for the Crystal Palace and all it represented, I am stunned at the gall of the supporters of the bridge-building architect Chris Wilkinson currently lobbying for the erection of his proposed "silver Zeppelin to float above the remains of Paxton’s upper terrace" at Sydenham.
There is no way whatsoever that a Zeppelin can possibly "pay deft homage" (sic) to Sir Joseph Paxton, the British genius who designed the first Crystal Palace in Hyde Park and then its spectacular successor at Sydenham, with its beautifully landscaped grounds, that were opened to the public by Queen Victoria in 1854.
The current 150th anniversary exhibition at the Dulwich Picture Gallery, curated by Dr Jan Piggott, splendidly reminds us why for over 80 years the Crystal Palace at Sydenham and its grounds were regarded as the Eighth Wonder of the World by the millions of people who went there from 1854 to 1936 to enjoy the educational and entertainment attractions.
Architects unanimously regard the Crystal Palace as one of the most significant structures ever built, equal in importance to the Parthenon and Chartres. As Mr Binney notes, the grounds at Sydenham, with their many terraces, fountains, statuary and other dramatic features, were "one of the greatest of all Victorian landscape creations", without parallel.
Sir Joseph Paxton must be turning in his grave; the absurd Zeppelin must be immediately shot down and Mr Livingstone and his staff must ensure that the original integrity of Paxton’s Crystal Palace park is restored as comprehensively as possible and carefully maintained.
Then, when the 200th anniversary arrives, those attending will be able to say "Well done!" Otherwise they will condemn us and ask "Whatever possessed them in 2004 to wantonly destroy one of the world’s great heritage sites?"
Yours sincerely John Raybould
John Raybould Thursday 4th March, 2004
John & Heather Raybould 3640 Paynter Road, Westbank, British Columbia V4T 1R1 CANADA
Dear Sir,
This is an important week because the Mayor of London takes over the park at Crystal Palace, (and the National Sports Centre). I therefore share with the Times Architectural Correspondent, Marcus Binney, the widespread public anxiety about the future of the site ("Crystal Palace show prompts concern over Sydenham park" The Times Feb. 16 2004).
Together with many people at home and abroad with a lifetime affection for the Crystal Palace and all it represented, I am stunned at the gall of the supporters of the bridge-building architect Chris Wilkinson currently lobbying for the erection of his proposed "silver Zeppelin to float above the remains of Paxton’s upper terrace" at Sydenham.
There is no way whatsoever that a Zeppelin can possibly "pay deft homage" (sic) to Sir Joseph Paxton, the British genius who designed the first Crystal Palace in Hyde Park and then its spectacular successor at Sydenham, with its beautifully landscaped grounds, that were opened to the public by Queen Victoria in 1854.
The current 150th anniversary exhibition at the Dulwich Picture Gallery, curated by Dr Jan Piggott, splendidly reminds us why for over 80 years the Crystal Palace at Sydenham and its grounds were regarded as the Eighth Wonder of the World by the millions of people who went there from 1854 to 1936 to enjoy the educational and entertainment attractions.
Architects unanimously regard the Crystal Palace as one of the most significant structures ever built, equal in importance to the Parthenon and Chartres. As Mr Binney notes, the grounds at Sydenham, with their many terraces, fountains, statuary and other dramatic features, were "one of the greatest of all Victorian landscape creations", without parallel.
Sir Joseph Paxton must be turning in his grave; the absurd Zeppelin must be immediately shot down and Mr Livingstone and his staff must ensure that the original integrity of Paxton’s Crystal Palace park is restored as comprehensively as possible and carefully maintained.
Then, when the 200th anniversary arrives, those attending will be able to say "Well done!" Otherwise they will condemn us and ask "Whatever possessed them in 2004 to wantonly destroy one of the world’s great heritage sites?"
Yours sincerely John Raybould
Trevor Coole Wednesday 28th January, 2004
Happened to wander into this fine site, and I now wonder if there are any ex-pupils from Paxton Infants School at the time I attended there during the years 1946-1953 who read this site; I lived from 1946 to 1961 at I Dulwich Wood Park, before Wates moved in. Some of the fellow pupils I remember are David Browning, Roger Frewin, Clive Reid, David and Richard Smith, and teachers I vaguely remember are a Miss Howe, a Miss Carey, and Mr Evans with his sweets and cane! I'll write a longer biography of local knowledge from that era later when I get more time. Thanks for a great, interesting website. Regards TC.
Adrian Hills PhD Tuesday 13 January, 2004
Perhaps one of these days the Crystal Palace Museum (quite separate, politically speaking from the CPF) will actually make available an inventory of their artefact holdings - Then anyone would be able to find out what is there. I have made this request twice in writing to Mr Ken Kiss, Honorary Curator, and have had no response.
Crystal Baird Wednesday 7th January, 2004
Seriously, my name is Crystal Baird. I had to sign.
John Payne Wednesday 24th December, 2003
Great to know that you are still active in keeping alive the memory of this wonderful building. I wish you all the best of luck.
John Greatrex Sunday 19th October, 2003
PAXTON THANKSGIVING SERVICE SEPT 28TH 2003
A special service took place at Chatsworth on the last Sunday in September to celebrate the life and works of Joseph Paxton in St Peter's Church at Edensor on the Chatsworth Estate.
A number of CPF members received personal invitations to attend from our Patron, His Grace The Duke of Devonshire.
Those taking up the invitation included Mr. Alastair Cameron, Ms. Mary Smythe, Mr. and Mrs Kenneth Kiss, Mr. and Mrs Barrie McKay and myself.
The chief guest, who read one of the lessons at the service, was Mr. Richard Briers who played the part of Joseph Paxton in the 2001 BBC mini series 'Victoria and Albert'.
Also present were Mr.and Mrs.Dominic Grosvenor whose iron foundry created the full size cast iron Crystal Palace Corner used in the 2001 BBC series 'What The Victorians Did For Us' (and will feature in next year's Sydenham Crystal Palace 150th celebrations.)
Further guests included Mr. and Mrs. Jimmy Botton whose funfair has formed an important part of the Annual Crystal Palace Victorian Day.
Finally it was a pleasure to meet Mr. And Mrs. Trammell S Crow who flew in especially for the occasion. Mr. Crow built the Dallas Crystal Palace INFOMART building in the mid 1980s (at the opening ceremony of which the CPF was admirably represented by its then Chairman Mr. Barrie McKay.)
A full report with photographs will be in the next issue of the CPF News.
Ian bevan Tuesday 23rd September, 2003
Hi Steve,
The football ground was built in 1894 specifically for the Cup Finals and there were 20 played there - the last being in 1914 (Burnley v Liverpool - 1- 0). After the First World War, Corinthians and the Casuals made the ground their home. Though Casuals only stayed for 3 years, the Corinthians played their last game on November 28th 1936 (just 2 days before the fire that destroyed the Crystal Palace) when they lost 2 - 0 to Bristol Rovers in a Cup Tie.
However, the ground remained after the Second World War and was used for matches right up to the time when the Crystal Palace Athletics Stadium was built in the early 1960s. At this time, the old football ground was demolished (and the Athletics track built in place of it).
If you are interested to know more, I would refer you to my book "To the Palace for the Cup" which is available from the CPF
Steve Saturday 20th September, 2003
I have a great interest in the football arena that existed on the grounds. I know that it last staged a cup final in 1913 and played host to cup-ties involving Corinthians during the 1920's. I believe that it was last used sometime around 1926-1930 for a first class fixture. I do not live in England so visiting the site is out of the question for me but can anyone tell me if any remnant of the old stadium survives today.
Mark Walkling Tuesday 9th September, 2003
Good afternoon to you,
I left Britain over 15 years ago and at the time there was a plan to build an hotel on the old Crystal Palace site. It looked rather fine as it was to be in the style of the original building and would at last make the tatty parade something to be proud of.
I return to Britain to see that not much has changed. How difficult is it to build a structure resembling the Crystal Palace I ask myself? Even a nice botanical or palm house would be an idea...but no... nothing. In spite of the Lottery giving funds to practically anyone who can put a plan together.
Mind you, looking at the population who have taken over the area in recent years, it would only be vandalised anyway, like the beheaded statue on the green and crime in the park.
Take a walk around the sports centre too. National Sports Centre? What a disgrace and an eyesore. It is so run down; I felt I was in a sink council estate. And to think, Athletes from overseas must see this and realise what sort of a country we are. It is laughable really.
I remembered why I left grotty Crystal Palace and Britain in the first place. Time to leave again, but this time, I shall never return.
Regards
Mark
Melvyn Harrison, Chairman, Crystal Palace Foundation Friday 5th September, 2003
There are no known records as Jan Cose requests but some names are certainly mentioned in our newly published book:
Frightful accident at the Crystal Palace, Sydenham - Monday 15th August 1853 -- Book
Compiled from contemporary accounts by Melvyn Harrison, Chairman, Crystal Palace Foundation with a foreword by Kevin Lynn, Chief Inspector of Construction at the Health and Safety Executive.
The history of the Crystal Palace is usually one of fun, excitement and wonder but sadly there is a blacker side. At 2pm on Monday 15th August 1853 a section of scaffolding on the centre transept collapsed killing twelve construction workers. The story of this tragic accident has never been fully told before.
All the articles from The Times newspaper (including the Coroners' reports) from 16th - 25th August have been meticulously transcribed together with articles from The Kentish Mercury & Home Counties Advertiser, St Bartholomew's Church Burial Register and a recently discovered fund raising poem.
For lovers of the history of the Crystal Palace this book gives a detailed insight into some of the construction methods used on the Crystal Palace and reveals much detail about the nineteenth century coroners system.
Names of many construction workers are given together with dozens of names of contributors to the fund set up for the families of the deceased workers.
36 pages, 5 illustrations, Paperback
£4.99
Andy Humphreys Friday 5th September, 2003
A great web site. My wife and I have recently moved into the area from Greenwich. I have not yet managed to make my way around the park, but on first impressions it needs a little tender loving care. One thing that I find really amazing is the platform that the crystal palace used to stand on. There is a great effect as you walk up the large steps to the area. Is this area used for anything, like markets or antiques fairs?
jan cose Wednesday 3rd September, 2003
Does anyone know if a list of the original workers who helped to build the Crystal Place exists?
Minesh Sunday 31st August, 2003
Having lived in Anerley for over 22 years, I consider myself lucky to be in such historically rich and wonderful area. The Thicket Road houses overlooking the park are majestic. The park itself (before they ripped it apart) was such a peaceful sanctuary. The dinosaurs, the old remains of the Palace at the top of the park all provide a sense of pride to live in such a great place. All credit to the likes of Eric from the CPF - Lets hope people leave the area alone rather than creating shopping centres or any more new style cardboard housing. Long live Anerley and Crystal Palace.
John Greatrex Tuesday 19th August, 2003
Keiran
I think you are right. What do you think makes Crystal Palace the best place?
Keiran bergin Tuesday 19th August, 2003
Crystal Palace is the best place.
Isabel Holroyd Thursday 31st July, 2003
I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed the Victorian Day. It really felt like an event born of the locality rather than imposed upon it. My mother was visiting from Wales and she was very impressed! Thanks and congratulations to all concerned.
Irene Sunday 13 July, 2003
I lived on central hill from 1967 till I left my parents home at the age of 21 in 1984 my father was born in west Norwood as were his parents and my great grandfather was born at 1 victory place, upper Norwood. during a recent trip down memory lane I went to crystal palace and west Norwood and I was surprised to see the place I grew up looking dirty and neglected,
Josephine Vernillo Tuesday 17th June, 2003
I was born in Dulwich and from the age of seven lived in Streatham. I have many childhood memories of taking the 137 bus to visit Crystal Palace Park. Mum and Dad helped me to envisage how grand and awe-inspiring the Crystal Palace must have been in its time. My Dad, who was born in 1931, remembers watching the palace burn from his bedroom window in Camberwell - he says he remembers his Dad pointing out the orange glow up on the horizon .
Ever since I was a child I used to feel there was something special about the air up at the Palace - my spirits would automatically rise while I was up there and would sink as I descended to go back home! I used to think there must be extra-strong ozone up on the ridge. Also, much of the surrounding architecture has always reminded me of a Victorian seaside resorts, so I always had a sense of 'holiday fun' from days spent up in the park and roundabouts.
I used to love walking along to the park from Church Road, checking out some of those glorious houses that peep out from behind walls and trees. Emile Zola was a great hero of mine when I was a teenager and I used to take pride in wandering past the Queen's hotel and seeing his name on that blue plaque, imaging that my footsteps were tracing his - though what he'd think of the current sorry state of the Queen's hotel, heaven only knows!
I was always intrigued as well by the huge pink house that sits opposite the hotel - one of a matching pair - and I often imagined what it would be like to live in 'the pink house'. Well, life can create some strange patterns and I now find myself living in a flat in 'the pink house' and it's every bit as interesting as I thought it would be!
Crystal Palace is a very special place to me - the whole area is full of interesting sights and fascinating facts. I devour books on the subject and thank god that there are people out there - like those who set up and run The Crystal Palace Foundation - who help fight complacency and keep interest in the area and its history alive - long live Crystal Palace!
Andrew Wednesday 4th June, 2003
Bromley council and whoever is responsible for the upkeep of the park really should be held to task. The park has been in a state of mid-repair/refurbishment for what seems like an eternity. I love this park and am a resident of Cawnpore Street, I have two young daughters and often bring them up to the park for walks and to play, but when walking around I can't help feeling how much better for them it was when the farm was there and the dinosaurs were open. The lack of effort/funding being put into the work being carried out would not be allowed in any other major London park.
For a more interesting day out I now find myself opting to drive to Battersea Park instead something I never even considered when the park was fully open.
Andrew Roberts Wednesday 28th May, 2003
I spent many happy hours in my child hood playing in the park going to the dinosaurs etc I went to Paxton in the early 70s and left in 74 I lived on Gipsy hill and finally left London in 79 to live in Cheltenham, HOWEVER!!!!! I still come up to London quite often and every time cant resist reliving all my yesterdays with a walk round the Palace My wife thinks I’m a right sad act but at the end of the day its my roots and I have many found memories. I still see a few of my ex Paxton classmates, one believe it or not lives only 10mins from me in Cheltenham He actually teaches at my daughters secondary school also another teacher there taught at St Josephs college on Beulah hill!! Still my mother saw the big bonfire in 36 and also has many fond memories from her childhood, The area is showing signs of decay in places however I just cant stay away have got numerous photos planning on a website can anybody remember the lightening strike on the transmitter around 1965 I think the top fell off!! I can remember watching the old Paxton been knocked down and moving into the new one although now looking its age (bit like me nearing 41) Westow park was another favourite haunt of mine as a kid and playing in the woods now where Safeway’s supermarket is. Gipsy hill station now looking somewhat drab was another place we hanged out as, Anyone remember the fire on the platform that totally destroyed the canopy on the west Croydon bound side. Anyone remember the fire that saw the death of 2 children at a house in Colby Road? Also legend has it that the green at the bottom of Gipsy Hill is in fact a plaque pit with hundreds of corpses buried there from those savage days a lot of people are under this impression that’s why as kids you couldn’t go on it, but again numerous people say it isn’t, still I suppose with out a shovel you would never know!!! Still i bet they would make good allotments!! Also i can remember MedHursts the TV shop on Gipsy Hill the row of shops half way up on Gipsy hill the fish and chip shop which is still there and the dentist near the top who was run by a Mr Gum in my day!! I can also remember them building the "Concrete Jungle" on Central Hill I can also remember the small corner shop on the corner of Colby road and NewBoulds newsagents at the top. I can remember been dragged along in the snow along Victoria Crescent. Also the building of the petrol station opposite the station. I actually lived in Charters close in its day a pleasant place to live after a recent walk round the estate I’m under the impression that’s its now somewhat changed and not for the better anyway anyone out there want to share memories or remember me then get in contact. Last year I walked around the park with my Cheltenham born wife she failed to see what I saw in the place but I just cant stay away loved it then love it now and always will. one last thought why oh why couldn’t there of been a bus on gipsy hill in my day like there is now, if I had a pound for every time I walked up and down that hill well!!! Also I was took every Sunday to upper Norwood Methodist church which i also revisited last year not many faces left there from my era although there were one or two! E MAIL andrew@aroberts36.fsnet.co.uk
susan shaw- Cambridgeshire Friday 23rd May, 2003
Crystal Palace park is where I spend many happy days as a child walking with my dear Grandad long since died. Its a long way to travel now but me and my own children are about to visit for the second time- I feel such a strong link with this wonderful enigmatic place. A understated national treasure!
Steve Oxbrow Saturday 5th April, 2003
My father, A.G.Oxbrow, worked with J. Logie Baird from close to the beginnings of his work until the factory at Sydenham closed. The works replaced the facility they had at Crystal Palace until it burned down in 1936
Michelle Amelia Zulps, Hamilton, Ontario
Monday 17th March, 2003
The crystal palace was built in Hamilton, Ontario in the 1800's.
If anyone has any information on why it was torn down, it would be greatly appreciated. Please contact me at miss_moviestar55@hotmail.com with any info. Thank you very much!
Catharine Gallop Saturday 15th February, 2003
I am a great-great-granddaughter of Sir Charles Fox of Fox, Henderson (the engineering firm which built the original Crystal Palace. I am elderly and live in Ontario, Canada so am unable to be actively involved with the Foundation. But it may possibly be of interest that among my most prized possessions I have a large original portrait of Sir Charles Fox (unsigned and undated). Would the Foundation be interested in obtaining a photograph of the portrait?
Wilson Mello Franco Thursday 13 February, 2003
Can you help me? I am a Brazilian man and I am researching about Crystal Palace Building. I know the original building was burned in 1936, but what I would like to know is if still some building is resting there, or anywhere in London. Does some project exist to reconstruct it next years?
Wilson Mello Franco - wilmello@bol.com.br
Thanks
Dr Malcolm Baird Saturday 1st February, 2003
Greetings to the Crystal Palace Foundation. My wife and I spent a day in the area in May 2002 for the filming of a documentary on my father, entitled "JLB -- the Man Who Saw the Future". Footage was shot at the Crystal Palace site and at the former Baird home at 3 Crescent Wood Road. It was a strange feeling to revisit the old house for the first time in many years.
The documentary was given a first showing on BBC 4 (digital) on January 22 and I understand that it will be shown on BBC 2 later this year. May I also put in a plug for the book "John Logie Baird -- A Life" jointly written by Antony Kamm and myself, published in August 2002 by the National Museum of Scotland. Several pictures of the Crescent Wood Road house and the Crystal Palace are there, including an aerial view taken a few years before the fire.
Greetings also to my old friend Dr. Adrian Hills whose name I see in the guestbook for Jan.21st. Adrian, someone told me that you had moved to Canada, is that true?
Paul Thacker Thursday 30th January, 2003
I recently returned home to Crystal Palace to visit where I used to live in Cawnpore Street. I left in 1973 when I was just 5 years old and moved to Newport in South Wales. Coming 'home' on Jan 26th was a very emotional time and I took lots of photos to remind me of my past that I only have vivid memories of. One of the memories that I do have is playing on the dinosaurs in the park with my brother. I used to love them.
I would like to say also a huge thanks to the landlady of the Railway Bell pub in Cawnpore Street for such a warm welcome on my return after 30 years away.
Although I now live in Wales and have for most of my life, I will ALWAYS be a Crystal Palace boy through and through.
There’s just no place like home.
Dr Adrian Hills Tuesday 21st January, 2003
Is the Park still shut?
Last I heard Elsie Thomas, a long time resident of Anerly Park, was still having to throw bread over the fence to feed the ducks. My Mum, who also lives in Anerley Park, sees Elsie most days doing her task.
Thanks to Melvyn Harrison I started research on John Logie Baird, television pioneer, which eventually led to me obtaining a PhD on the subject. From that research, I discovered just how important Baird Television Ltd was to the world history of television.
Many years ago Professor Malcolm Baird gave a talk to help finance a blue plaque for the South Tower base to recognise his father's work there - Haven't seen one yet.
All the best, and keep fighting the fools in Bromley Council
Adrian Hills
Tony Robertson Tuesday 31st December, 2002
I have been fascinated by the 'Palace' since I was a young boy. My Grandfather lived on Norwood Park, and apart from supporting the Football team (through thin and thin !!) I have made a point of visiting whenever I can. This is not so easy as I now live in Devon.
I teach history in a Plymouth school, and I ALWAYS make the effort to spend a lesson looking at the Exhibition and the park in Sydenham.
I hope to bring my son up to visit when he is a little older.
Best of luck with your efforts to keep things alive.
Paul Shinnick Saturday 28th December, 2002
Both my wife and myself are constant users of the park. We are lucky enough to overlook it from our home.
I keep hoping that the work around the 'Fisherman's Lake' will come together and be completed.
It seems that half of the planting has died and it's at least the third time that the paths have been laid, only to be washed away by the rain again.
Fisherman's Gate has been closed for well over a year now, causing my disabled wife to have to walk hundreds of yards further every day just to feed the ducks. Sometimes I wish Bromley had left well alone.
I see little improvement in what has been done. They have succeeded in taking the intermediate lake even further from public view and the so-called viewing platforms are nothing more than gaps in the planting and afford no view of the lake at all.
Will things get better?
P.S. A beautifully designed website.
Daniel Alston Wednesday 27th November, 2002
I wish the base of the North Tower could be tidied up a bit, and for a plaque to be put on it.
Jeff Martin Friday 25th October, 2002
I am glad I have stumbled upon this website.
It is good to see the work is still going on.
I used to visit regularly until we moved away in 1995.
Keep up the good work
Marc Dickson Wednesday 9th October, 2002
I live in Streatham Vale with my girlfriend and we regularly take Sunday afternoon strolls up to Crystal Palace park. I've looked round the museum a couple of times and fully applaud the aims and the efforts of the Foundation in preserving memories of the Palace itself. One question, though - would it be possible to show some of the museum's pictorial material on the website, especially if the building has insufficient space to put it on public display?
Brenda Henderson Thursday 12th September, 2002
Hello, My name is Brenda. I live in Perth, W. Australia.
My dad and mum used to take us (me and my 2 sisters) regularly to see the Dinosaurs, when we were kids. I still remember it!
I visited there when I came "home" in 1998...still loved it. Looking forward to next visit.
Jann Herlihy Tuesday 10th September, 2002
Welcome to the new Crystal Palace Foundation guestbook.
Please take a moment to add a few words.
John Greatrex 6th July, 2002
CRYSTAL PALACE VICTORIAN DAY. SUNDAY 14th July 11am - 5pm.
The annual event takes place this year DOWN BY THE DINOSAURS BY THE
CRYSTAL PALACE PARK CAFE at the Penge end of the park. (NOT on the top site - which has recently been fly-tipped!)
Do come along looking as Victorian as you can!
The organisers have said," This year marks the 150th anniversary of a unique historical event, the dismantling, transfer and re-erection of the most famous building to come out of the Victorian age.
Oscar Lopez 4th July, 2002
Hello all
I’m a Crystal Palace fun from Spain, It’s a very interesting building for me.
I’m looking for information about the air circulate system inside the Crystal Palace, I read about it time ago but I don’t remember where was.
Your web is the better that I can find about this building
Saludos desde España :)
Kay Campbell 28th June, 2002
I was very interested in reading your article in the Family History Monthly, magazine, May 2002. It appears that an ancestor of mine MUNGO McGEORGE was a chairman of the Crystal Palace Company before 1885.
He lived (opposite?) on Crystal Palace Park Road in the 1881 census. I had often wondered just what the CP Company and now I know! Does anyone know if I can find out more about his time as chairman.... and photos of him would be the icing on the cake.
The CPF is great!
Kay Campbell, Perth Australia
John Greatrex 5th June, 2002
June 8th is the anniversary of Sir Joseph Paxton's death at Sydenham in 1865.
Alison Hill 20th May, 2002
I would just like to say that your site is wonderful and so is your good work. I am a heritage student at University College Worcester, and I am fascinated by all things Crystal Palace and Great Exhibition 1851.
I very much intend to write a book on the subject one day and collect any snip of information I can get. I hope no one ever builds on the sacred sites, and certainly never a full inauthentic reconstruction, which would be a travesty! the legacy that both buildings has given us will live on and on, enriched as much today as back them. Paxton is a saint!
John McGregor 6th May, 2002
Many thanks for your informative web site! Particularly liked the History segment - perhaps you could also add a 'photo bank' comprising of old sketches, photos of the various parts of the palace in its heyday, as well as photos of what parts of the palace remain today i.e. sculptures, pavilions, and where they are located. Keep up the good work! Yours John McGregor Brisbane, Australia
John Greatrex 13th January, 2002
Dinosaur Seminar - January 3rd and 4th, AD2002 - hosted by Greenwich University in association with Bromley Council and advertised in the recent CPF News Letter.
It was a pleasure to see so many CPF members at the event.
Day One was spent in the park, walking deep in mud island hopping from one dinosaur group to another. The quality of the restoration work is quite breathtaking - those involved deserve serious congratulations.
The high degree of workmanship displayed will form an excellent benchmark for future restoration work in other areas in the park.
Day Two consisted of a number of expert presentations given by professionals involved with the restoration scheme. CPF members Mick Gilbert ably assisted by Ian Bevan, gave an excellent photographic account of the 'Dinosaur Court' (situated in the south west corner of the park) from the 1850s to the present day. On sale on the day was ex-CPF Chairman Steve McCarthy's well documented dinosaur book, containing pictures by Mick.
Tony Lewis 1st November, 2001
Hello to all at the CPF. Hope you are all well. Glad to see the Foundation is still going strong. Also glad to see the website has had a facelift. Why not put more photos on your site? You have plenty to choose from! Perhaps do a version of my site with 'Then and Now' photos.
Kindest regards, Tony
John Greatrex 25th July, 2001
It's good to see that a second edition of John Allwood's classic book 'Great Exhibitions’ is now available. Well nearly. Let's hope it's not too long before the publishers finally get a least an inspection copy to the CPF for us to look at. Apparently it's selling quite well already in Japan where the next World Expo of 2005 is due to take place.
John was a regular contributor in the 1980s to Crystal Palace Matters.
His excellent articles formed the backbone of the first edition of his 'Great Exhibition' book.
The second edition with additions to bring it up to date and include expo 2000 in Hanover has been masterminded by Ted Allen CBE, past President of the BIE (Bureau International Expositions - based in Paris to regulate the staging of world expos. It book is a fitting tribute to its original author.
Peter Wall 13th July, 2001
Many thanks for keeping me informed by way of your updated site. I was very interested in the revised history pages. Keep up the good work.
Will re-visit very soon.
Regards Peter Wall
John Greatrex 23rd June, 2001
Congratulations on the new looking website.
Now that London is not getting its second city airport terminal shaped building on top of the Crystal Palace foundations - good luck to the Crystal Palace Foundation!
Richard Harcourt 18th April, 2001
The site is already looking really professional. I really am tremendously impressed by the design and by the very 'clean' operation.
I will be watching the development of the site with great interest.
Richard
Melanie Waterfield 3rd April, 2001
I went for a nostalgic visit to the Park this weekend and was sad to see how neglected it's become. I lived in Bowley Close (when it was a valley of prefabs on the site of the previous Upper Railway network) off Farquhar Road. My sister Nichola went to the local Paxton Primary School. We lived there in the early 1970's, anyone remember us? We would love to hear from them. For the moment I usually take my own young children once a year to visit the dinosaurs in the park (out of bounds this time, for restoration work I believe) and remember my Nan's story of watching the great glass palace melting. She also knew the story of the 'folk buried beneath the ground in the underground railway disaster' - was this just an urban myth?
The Heard Family 4th March, 2001
This is terrible news for everyone. We have been planning a London trip on the strength of visiting the park for over six months now and to discover the planned closure for such a poxy scheme as a multiplex is awful. We will gladly support any activity to avoid it even if we are some distance away in Wales. Anyone with any plans please contact us
Richard Harcourt 20th January, 2001
Dear Melvyn, I have put a comment on the Time Team notice board and on the BBC History Archaeology notice board. Apparently, a complete waste of time but there should be something there and perhaps if Foundation members keep on insisting on a discussion there it might have to become noticeable to someone. It is just one other way of producing consistent public opinion, pressure and I could not find anything before I put mine up. Haven't got the History Channel.
By the by I suggested that it was reprehensible if the responsible authorities had allowed themselves to be individually bought off by the developer and really cheap if they hadn't been paid to do so. Probably means a short life for my messages but I really could not resist it!
Richard Harcourt
Susan Maher 14th September, 2000
Dear All, I've just looked up your home page, it’s great. Plenty of nostalgia there for me. I was born in Crystal Palace, went to Anerley
Junior in the 60's, and my mum had a boutique on the Parade in the late 60's early 70's, in fact Audrey Hammond was one of her customers I remember well! Do you remember the German lady who owned the shop Audrey? Culpeppers were next door to it and the hairdressers the other side. I have lots of great memories of the area, including the awful fire in the pet shop. If anyone wants to get in touch, I would love to share them. I am living in Ireland now, married with 6 children and would love to hear from any of my old classmates or teachers at Anerley Junior. I would also love to see the Crystal Palace restored to its former glory, that would be a sight to see. Keep up the good work. I will log in every now and then to see how things are going.
Bye for now.
Susan
Mr AA Cartwright 3rd September, 2000
I worked at the Crystal Palace park/racing circuit / children’s Zoo as a Driver/Gardener(Jack of all trades)From December 1957 till November 1966 under 4 different Superintendents starting with Mr Henderson/ Mr Dunk/ Mr Syns/ the last being Mr Barefoot. I wonder is Mr Aggett still a Forman there?
Yours sincerely AA Cartwright.
Peter & Eileen Wall 30th August, 2000
As the Wall family lived and worked in the area during the pre-war years, it is no wonder we are fascinated by the history portrayed. I was one year old when the fire took away one of the greatest exhibition sites of the time. Although not able to recall the event, he remembers his parents talking about that dreadful day when they (with babe in arms) joined great crowds on Anerley Hill to watch the spectacle. They said many people were openly crying as the great Crystal Palace disappeared before them. Hopefully, after a few hours crawling about the attic, I may be able to unearth some relics connected with those days!
Keep up the good work,
Regards Peter -&- Eileen
Steve Mcarthy 27th August, 2000
Howdy folks - just thought I'd look up my old pals to try to stay in touch from this side of the Atlantic! Congratulations on becoming
Chairman, Melvyn! One suggestion - why don't you put back issues of Crystal Palace Matters on your website - I seem to remember it contained some pretty good articles (mine not included, of course!!)
Best Wishes
Steve
Ruth Smith 6th July, 2000
Here's the poem I wrote after seeing the monsters.
MR. HAWKINS’S CAREFUL RESTORATIONS
Go past the cafe and the gorilla statue.
Follow the path to the other side of the lake.
You’ll find them there.
Don’t expect them
to look like those bony scaffoldings
you find in museums
or as though they’d just come fresh from Jurassic
badlands. You’ll never see jeep-loads
of paleontologists here.
No! These are all made from plaster, iron
and drain tiles. The big ones have pointed
teeth and glower at you.
You won’t be the last they’ll fix with
their gobstopper eyes as you stroll by the lake
with your family.
To your left is the Iguanodon.
In 1853 they opened its mould
and set up a table there.
Invitations were sketched on a pterodactyl’s wing
and twenty-one scientists came to fill
its stomach - and theirs.
Don’t miss the prehistoric toads
or the crocs that side-crank
through the ooze
and should you get lost
or linger till dark, don’t be put off
by the cracking of boos
Chris Santry 12th June, 2000
Good well thought out exhibition. My wife and I came up for the sprint meeting in the Park on the bank holiday. The last time I came to the park was in 1967 to see the circuit racing with my father. It has changed a bit! Please keep up the good work with the museum and if possible extend the exhibits on the atmospheric railway.
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